Peer Assist Requests From time to time JOIFF shared learning members are asked questions about best practice. Here are a compillation of some such requests from the second half of 2012. If you require further information about any of these, please contact the JOIFF Secretariat. ____________________________________________________
Subject: Critique of attached file on IBC's Contribution to Large Storage Fires Date of Email: Thu 20/09/2012 Detail: Hello Kevin, Today we have asked Graham Atkinson of the HSE, Bob Benedetti of the NFPA, David Nugent of Valspar, Mike Snyder of Dow Corning and John Le Blanc of FM for their view on the attached file. After a large fire occurred in the Netherlands, the Dutch equivalent of the CBS asked stakeholders to improve the fire safety provisions of warehouses with flammable and combustible liquids stored in IBCs Joint efforts resulted in the attached file. We would be pleased if any JOIFF members with expertise in the field of fire protection of IBC storage would critique the attached file and share their comments with us. Feel free to contact us (Cor Barendregt, Ernst Rijkers and Jeanne van Buren) if you have any questions. We have also done some modelling of the scenario and were wondering if you know anyone else who has done some modelling. Thank you in advance for your time and help. Additional Documentation: UKFactsheetIBCStorageFireProtection_1.3 ____________________________________________________
Subject: Fire Protection of Cryogenic Ethane/Propane Operations - What are your Practices or Views? Date of Email: Sat 11/08/2012 Detail: Kevin, I’m looking to review any information from the colleagues out there on fire protection philosophies or actual practices regarding protection around cryogenic liquid ethane and cryogenic liquid propane. This would include areas of fractioning / separation process area, storage, and ship vessel loading operations. I would appreciate if you could solicit input from the JOIFF. They can respond directly to me and all will be kept confidential. Of course I thank all the members in advance for their assistance. ____________________________________________________
Subject: Emergency Response Management Systems Date of Email: Sun 29/07/2012 Detail: Hi Kevin Please can you forward to JOIFF members. Hi I work within the Process Safety team at Dow Corning Ltd in Barry, South Wales. I am currently leading a project that is looking to make improvements to the Operations Team Emergency Response Management System here at the site. My project will focus on the Emergency Response Procedures, Training and Drill programs that will enable our COMAH plant operators to respond effectively and consistently to foreseeable credible emergencies on their specific plants. This particular project is focusing on the actual Operator required actions during emergencies and not that of the Fire and Rescue Team. The starting point of the project is to make improvements to the process specific Emergency Response procedures. We are aiming to have easily accessible, concise, accurate procedures for each foreseeable credible scenario. We are currently benchmarking against other UK based companies from the Chemical, Petrochemical and Nuclear industry. I would really appreciate if you could take part in this benchmarking activity and answer the questions listed below. 1. Gathering Information How do you as a company identify the Foreseeable Credible Scenarios and response actions to include in your process areas Emergency Response Procedures? Is this completed by an individual or an expert team? If the answer to this question is an expert team, which roles would typically be included in your expert team? 2. Writing The Procedure Are your procedures scenarios based? How is the information displayed, checklists, decision trees or plain text? If decision tools are utilised, what specific software do you use to develop these. What type of information is included within your procedures? Do you have any non-essential information stored elsewhere in training manuals etc? On average, how many pages are your specific scenario response actions displayed in? If you feel you have a good example of a concise emergency procedure that includes checklists, decision tools etc and are happy to share it with me, this would be very useful. 3. Procedure Validation How do you verify accuracy of Emergency Response Procedure content? What is your approval process? 4. Publishing The Procedure Once a procedure is developed or modified, how do you ensure the adequate level of Operator follow up is completed? Does the level of follow up change with the complexity and extent of the procedural change? How do you manage this? 5. Storage How do you store your procedures? Do you have both hard copies and e copies? How do you store the hardcopies and how do you ensure you have strong document control to ensure the most up to date hard copy is in use? Apologies in advance for the question overload. Once complete, I would be happy to share the output of our project with you at any time. Regards: ____________________________________________________
Subject: What Experience Do You Have (If Any) With 'FoamFatale' Date of Email: Mon 01/10/2012 Detail: Hello Kevin, How are you I do hope that all is well with you. Can you please arrange for persons who are part of the JOIFF membership to provide me with information on the FoamFatale technology? If possible I would like to have industry relevant information on the following:
I would also appreciate an MSDS on the product if one is available, any known limitations of the system and environmental concerns if any. Regards ____________________________________________________
Subject: LPG Fire Detection & Protection - what's your experience? What standards do you practice at your facilities? Date of Email: Wed 22/08/2012 Detail: Hi Kevin Can I please put a question to the JOIFF forum. We are reviewing our standards for the fire detection and water deluge of our three Butane Spheres. Questions to the JOIFF forum; 1. What detection and protection standards are being used? 2. What type of deluge systems are installed and the advantages and disadvantages of the systems, i.e. ring deluge vertical or horizontal, flood system? 3. Are the deluge systems activated automatically by detection, remote activation or manual - advantages and disadvantages? Many Thanks ____________________________________________________
Subject: Jet Fire & Toxic/Flammable Cloud Management, Philosophy & Tactics Date of Email: Thu 04/10/2012 Detail: Hello Kevin, I have a question for the JOIFF-members; As a staff member of a company fire brigade (industrial fire brigade) in the Netherlands, I would like to know if there are anywhere principles for;
related to philosophy and tactics? I am very interested in all relevant information. If there are members that have any information, please ask them to inform me. Best Regards, ____________________________________________________
Subject: Portable lame Detection? Date of Email: Mon 19/11/2012 Detail: Hi Kevin, I’m looking for information whether you know portable product to detect flame. I’m aware that flame detection available in the market is for fixed system only Actually we identified numbers of blind spot at the facility that has not been covered by plant integrated fire & gas detection system. To have additional fixed detectors on-line it will takes quite sometimes to satisfied design, procurement and installation. To cover that gap immediately, we plan to procure (if product available in market) and install portable flame detection system which also:
If the product may linked to extinguishing system that would be great, however if it is can’t be linked it will be fine as well ____________________________________________________
Subject: Use of Smoke Masks - Your thoughts appreciated... Date of Email: Fri 06/07/2012 Detail: Dear Kevin, can you please help me putting this question to those members whom you think can help provide their best expertise on the subject matter. I am the Chief Fire Officer and the Emergency Management Services Manager of the Qatargas Operating Company Limited in Qatar. Our corporate officer have recently moved to a high rise building of 52 floors in the down town of Doha. The tower carries all the modern fire safety means including the portable and fixed fire fighting systems. Immediate evacuation is the policy of the tower from the affected floors to the fire protected lobby (each floor have two such enclosures of 2 hour fire resistance) and then immediately to 5 floors below (phased evacuation). The complete evacuation is decided after an assessment by the Incident Commander. The critical fire safety system in this tower includes the following.
We estimate a complete evacuation within 25 to 30 minutes of time (in a recent exercise it only took 19 minutes for 1000 employees to evacuate). All the above said safety critical system can take care of the smoke management in the tower. Nevertheless I am now thinking about the unreliability factor of these safety system, so interested to find out the international practices of usage of ‘smoke mask’ as an additional safe guard. Which can provide a safe supply of filtered air for up to 30 minutes. I would request you all to kindly provide me with response to the following queries given below, in the context of the information provided above.
Best regards, ____________________________________________________
Subject: Personnel Accountability Systems, What's The Best You Have Seen? Date of Email report: Wed 05/12/2012 Report Detail: Dear JOIFF members please assist below in this quest to understand the personnel accountability options out there – maybe you have recently installed a new system or maybe you have researched them – as always e-mail John directly with copy to [email protected] Hi Kevin, We are looking at implement a head counting system in the event of Toxic Release, which will account for everyone on the site and their whereabouts does any of the JOIFF members have a system which will account for persons easily and quickly? Regards
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